beltzner

This is awesome! I watched slides and every part is great. Involving more people to join in beta program is great idea, community is what makes Firefox world wide well known browser. You said that 3.7 is actually 3.6.4, will Minefield numbers 3.7a5pre change to 4.0a5pre?
New look, startup improvements, faster JS is what we need (ofc all other stuff too) . Keep the good work on!
I’d would be nice if you make a new site for pre-alphas and alphas. Just like Microsoft did with IE9 page. That could bring more people to test Firefox.next and give a feedback IMO.

This new browser will blow the other ones out of the water! Cannot wait to use the browser

Thanks very much for making this presentation available for download (and for making it, in general). Firefox 4 looks exciting!

As this is the first long video I’ve tried to watch with Firefox, I can’t resist also commenting that it’s prompted me to vote for bug 520600 and 517870, and also to wonder why it takes 4-5 seconds to switch to full screen (the same time as seeking, which seems to be much much slower than Flash-based video stuff I’ve used…)

Firefox 4 should be an onset to a more fundamental reconsideration of the web. Having backend and frontend common practices meet and being a marriage between current web paradigms. In a more real sense, it should compete with what makes other browsers stand out in a daring fashion.

In the end the coders’ challenge lies not in computer technology but in thought abstraction. I.e.: humans talking to humans

I am loving the way Firefox is maturing. One thing that I wish to see in Firefox 4 is add-on sandboxing and permissions. Till this day all installed add-ons have full access to all browser stored information. It seems useful but I don’t want my social bookmarking and flash blocking add-ons to have access to my passwords. I wish you implement a way similar to the one employed in the websites’ permissions you plan to add but for extensions with limitations option on what each add-on can access. Right now all is voluntary and it is up to the extension to behave.

I hope that the Firefox 4 won’t take more time to start running than Chrome 5。

What about full support of SVG? Will Firefox 4 fully support the SVG standard?

Awsome new features, Firefox 4 will be amazing for most of the web developers, the Console feature is very good.

And I agree With Michael Lafevre this SlideShare Flash-based presentation slowed down my FF alot… could be something to check.

Thanks for the awsome job on this version.

Cool. Gonna test those betas.

Just don’t forget about GTK and Qt when you do UI, OK? Current GTK default theme is me~h.

Make an option for synchronising bookmarks in firefox just like opera and google chrome. I enjoy that feature a lot since i have more than 2 computers

Hey,

Where was the information on participating in the Beta program, I’m currently on the Mozilla Hacks mailing lists and such, will it be announced there?

Thanks.

Looking forward to this plan getting realized. It would really help if the initial load time was minimized a bit.

Just watched the presentation, is great to see the direction you are focusing Fx, the developer tools look very exciting, especially the console, am looking forward to playing with that ..

Thx for publishing the video of the firefox 4 presentation. It looks great and I can’t wait until the preview-version comes out to test!

Don’t forget to post updates often and keep regularly updated GUI mockups online!
We want to be able to comment your ideas in real-time!

Will it support H.264 in HTML5 video and if not, why are you making a browser if you can’t keep up with competition? This will effectively keep Firefox users locked to Flash in order to play the videos. It doesn’t matter what kind of principles you have. In the end, the users are worse off.

Enterprise deployment, where have you gone?

Advertising HTML5 with a slide show realized in Flash? Come on…

it would be an nice feature if I’m possible to open only unread css-bookmarks. Until now I have to open them one-by-one or in a bunch of 50 bookmarks.

I haven’t found that possibility yet.

What do you think?

Regards from Germany,
CM

hahahaha

I’m always excited to hear of the good, new things coming out of the Firefox camp. While shiny & new is exciting, when will you also address legacy and roadmap issues (read memory leaks and alternative platforms)?

I’m finding that I’m using my conventional laptop/desktop less and non-supported devices more (even for my enterprise engagements).

The question surfaces, “Will Firefox 4 come out with great new capabilities only to find it’s audience is fast becoming more corporate as consumers move away to unsupported platforms?”

Will Firefox fast become the next Lotus 1-2-3 or DisplayWrite?

I’d love to see “Paste and Go” feature build in Firefox. Not as an add-on but build in Fx just like in Opera or Chrome. IMO there are some add-on’s, that should be implemented in Firefox. Give us Paste and Go please!

This is the first time after a long while that i am really impressed by the firefox roadmap and looking forward for the new firefox versions.

Keep on the good work

Mike, will Firefox 4 have all of MY favourite things!?

Actually, I wanted to ask if you could post the slides in a format that we can download without creating an account on SlideShare. Cheers.

i’ve been sticking to firefox because i don’t like the chrome interface. and now they’re making it look more like chrome.

Removing the menu bar and scattering the toolbar icons around the window is a mistake.

Looks good.

I’m anxious to see how fast they can get the performance to. Right now, I feel it’s one of the things that hurts Firefox, especially when you compare the performance to Chrome and Safari and even other browsers.

If they can close the gap and boost Firefox’s performance, I will be using Firefox more often again. Also, the separated processes is something I’m really looking forward to as well.

Firefox 4.0 looks promising. I note from the screenshots that there’s still a dedicated “status line” at the bottom of the window. They should emulate Chrome in removing this, freeing up yet more vertical real estate (Chrome effectively uses bubbles that pop up whenever a transfer happens).

Also in the name of saving vertical real estate, Firefox should somehow make better use of the window title area to conserve space – or, perhaps, it could be minimized a la Chrome? Tabs already show the current title – other than the windows max/min/iconify, there’s no need for it.

I love Firefox and I have been using it for years. I would love to see an improvement in the memory it uses. I have tried tweaks to lower the memory it uses but they don’t seem to be working all that good.

I think that new computers should come with Firefox installed too. I’m so sick of IE.

Will Firefox 4.0 support
“Mandatory Integrity Control feature” as Internet Explorer (7 and 8), and Chrome do.

Why is everyone trying to get rid of the menu bar? Is there something wrong with it? I think it is way more confusing trying to figure out what icon does what and hunting around for an option when you could just have a menu.

HTML5 video handling? Noticed with minefield that youtube.com/html5 barfs – are we still in the N.264 – OGG argument?

How ironic that it took me half a dozen tries including a reboot to get my Firefox 3.6.3 to display this article.

After many years, I’ve just about abandoned Firefox because of the constant locking, blocking and memory issues.

Sounds amazing — one day soon FF will be the defacto browser

Nice to hear Plans for Fx4.The pace with which other competitors are developing their browsers especially chrome is something that has to be considered with caution.Chrome has faster update cycles and rate in which its growing should be seen .and update size is also a matter of concern .
Any ways interface that you have shown in slide is awesome .

It looks like absolute shite.

I just hope they plan to restore sanity to the back/forward history buttons(SEPARATE back and forward histories) and the Awful Bar (it isn’t awesome). These features were more user-friendly in FF 2.

Awesome. Love Firefox. I am with Firefox to develop an open and better web.

So, will Fx4 bring us a x64 version of the browser, which was implied but never promised..?!

@Gustavo: Actually the slides in Flash were working fine for me. It was the HTML 5 video that was being rather unresponsive.

@Michael: 64 bit for Windows and OS X is in the plan. It’s included there on slide number 23.

@Thomas Wolf: They are indeed looking at getting rid of the status bar, but some stuff that currently lives on the status bar will have to move elsewhere. http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/removing-firefoxs-status-bar-and-rehousing-add-on-icons-part-1-of-2/

Howdy,

for me, a killerfeatrure would be a native 64bit port of Firefox. Over the time, 32bit will vanish, so why not making ther step ahead eralier than later?

Regards from Austria

Howdy again,

what I´d like to see is that Firefox becomes more “Enterprise-friendly”. It should be manageable by an IT-Dept, policies should be possible (i.e. Proxysettings, preinstalled extensions, ….).

Like our old friend Internet Explorer is in Enterprises – fully customiseable…

Hello

I will be looking add-on compatibility with Firefox 4. same like on windows 7 we can run windows xp compatibility software. I would like to use some old add-on on firewall.

lol the screen shots look like opera. why do they have to go steal looks haha but im shure goin to look XD

Since Firefox v3.6, my Logitech MX1000 Laser mouse cruise up and cruise down buttons will not work. I get the direction arrows for cruise, but no movement.
This mouse works and has worked in all versions of Firefox until this version. (Works in ALL OTHER programs too.) I have the last Logitech update for my W.XP pro. sr3.
Will you get this fixed in this Beta version? Please, I will hate to go to another browser.

This site sucks, firefox may be finally supporting html5, but no video for me browsing on iPad.

I have used Firefox for years and it’s my preferred browser, but I was contemplating ditching it because of their lack of html5 support.

This will be the deal breaker for me if Mozilla fails to deliver on html5 or ver4 takes too long.

Great, but can I have my Twitter back, please? I can’t stand the slow fps when i type something anymore.

Please take into consideration that not all users want to use tabs. Tabs are the first thing I turn off when I set up a new browser.

The presentations are very helpful – thnx. I have 2 questions – didn’t see in slides:
1. Will XUL remain part of Fx4 – any major changes to it – or does it go away?
2. XBL/anonymous content – will this feature remain in Fx4 or do XBL and/or the ‘anonymous’ content feature go away?
thx for keeping us abreast of the roadmap and feature plans.

Hi,

thanks for the update. Although I like in general the idea of a simple and clean UI, I fear that this goes more and more in the direction of removing many features and options from the GUI completely. I can understand that people might have a different view on some elements, but instead of removing features, please make them configurable via a reasonable way. I don’t consider installing a dozens of add-ons or fiddling in the registry ah about:config really a nice way for restoring basic functionality…

html 5 and firefox 4 = good news.
IE has it’s own users so it’s no more a rival for FF. You have to get back your users from Chrom.
Tango is not for three.

Everything sounds good except the new UI. I like to see the “File, Edit, View, Bookmarks, etc.” Buttons. Also, tabs on top suck. From the pictures, it looks like the new URL bar will take up the same space as the current “File, Edit, View, Bookmarks, etc.” buttons and URL bar combined.

I like mine the way it is: http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3816/currentfirefoxmenu.png

Chrome has a similar layout to what they have proposed and I hate it. That’s the number 1 reason I don’t use it!

What are your plans for WebSQL or IndexedDB support? In your presentation, IndexedDB was grayed out, what does that mean? It will be implemented, might be implement etc?

It seems great. But I couldn’t help but notice that while stuff like “Windows 7″, “Aero” and “Direct2D” pop up, there’s nothing like “make it fast/efficient on Linux”. I didn’t peruse all the slides but I can’t recall the word “Linux” appearing anywhere. It may not be the primary target but leaving the Linux version of Firefox in it’s sorry state will only push people away from it. Take it from a former Firefox user who is now using Chrome. And I’m certainly not alone.

I don’t like the new interface. Firefox seems to be trying to emulate Internet Explorer and Chrome instead of being innovative. The GUI is less useful. Where are the reload and print buttons? Looks like at least one extra mouse click away for many features. Why not make use of the space between the Firefox button and the minimize button? What’s the difference having the address bar above or below the tabs? I personally don’t like it below because it disassociates the tab from its window.

I have to hope for an add-on that will make the interface more useful for browsing; otherwise, I’ll stick to the older version.

Please please please – in the attempt to make a fantastic looking design (which I think you will do well in judging from the samples) don’t forget the menu bar!
The old fashioned menu bar is such a powerfull and quick tool for advanced users to find lots of stuff with few movements, and a “favorites” menu item takes less space than a big bookmarks bar.
Don’t let me chase from one single top-menu through 2-3 levels of menus before I get to the favorites, history, development tools/plugins, print, etc.
So please try to integrate the menu bar into the design – and not like in Opera where if you turn it on you just get a big grey menu bar in the middle of a transparent top!

2 diemunkiesdie

You can change it easily in settings. In fact you can do whatever you want with bars in new FF.

The single Firefox killing issue: startup-time

All features and techniques are great, but the single Firefox killing issue that needs to be addressed with nr 1 priority is startup-time. First startup takes 10 to 20 seconds. That is TOO MUCH if you just want to start working. I’m a Firefox lover because it’s open source and because of the plug-ins, but it’s only idealism that keeps me using it, despite the waiting pains. Amongst our developer team I’m the only one using FF as default, the rest disdainfully does away with it with the single argument: “too slow”. Fortunately I’ve got Firefox preloader, that reduced the pain dramatically. But such functionality should be included in FF self. All great functions and behind the scenes techniques are useless if people simply don’t use FF because it takes them too long to get it up and running. PLEASE get the startup time fixed or FF will lose the race.
A Firefox lover.

with this new firefox 4, i’m sure of my installed plug ins will not be supported and it will take sometime before this 3rd party plug in will be updated to be supported by the new UI of firefox 4.

@ Michael Lefevre

I use the status bar heavily, so it better remain an option. Why get rid of it completely when the current configurability of it caters to both those who don’t use it and those who do?

Fx4 sounds good, but I didn’t see one of Fx’s biggest problems addressed: abyssmal memory management. Everybody has been putting up with the way Fx just inhales system memory since 2.0 was released. I can run Fx for an hour with minimal add-ons and it will have sucked up 250M of memory. Fix that please! Don’t “me too!” the interface in order to compete with Chrome and other copycats. Do your own thing and keep Fx’s interface unique and fresh. And lastly run tabs in their own sessions so that one bad page won’t crash the whole browser.

I’ve noticed time and again that buggy script on web pages can slow/freeze the Firefox UI. This should not be allowed to happen, period.

Since it has been decided that the tab bar will not be merged with the title bar, so why not move it back down under the URL bar? Having the tab bar below could provide a few benefits. E.g. consistency with the current Firefox (vs. looking like Chrome), the ability to resize the tab bar to handle tab overflow, , etc.

Hopefully FF4 does not have the same memory leak as FF3 does. I can leave FF3 on for about an hour and I’m over 100mb memory usage and even on a non refreshing page the memory used still keeps increasing.

This blog is very interesting

libpng in firefox is super old and buggy. See:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4936/mode6gears.png

Unfortunately Mozilla team refuses to update libpng in 3.6.x branch.

Will we have to wait months and months for Firefox 4 just to see libpng updated?

I hope you won’t drop Windows XP support just because you introduce Direct2D, Layers, Aero, etc.

I am wondering if CSS3 hyphenation models are considered in the roadmap for Firefox 4? IMHO, this is one key ingredient that that is currently missing from all the browers, which makes it impossible for high-quality online text-layout. Although CSS2 has “justified” text-align property, but the uneven spacing make the page look quite rough. Even something like the java-script based hyphenation tool (google “hyphenation javascript”) can make a website look really nice. It would be great to see some features down this line be implemented in Firefox 4.

I have been a beta tester for FF, a couple of years now, and even the beta versions, (I am using 3.6.4 right now), work better than my chrome, or safari browsers.

Maybe it’s because I have a Mac.

“Empowering: putting users in full control of their browser, data, and Web experience.”

Oh good. Does that mean that I can finally allow site icons (or favicons) while disallowing animated site icons? I’ve had to disable site icons for several years, because there is no other way to prevent animated icons from appearing.

Hi,
I was just wondering why FF is the only major browser not going the HTML5 way to DB storage allowing for off-line storage ?

Do you have an answer ?

Please don’t change the UI. I love it how it is.

I use the menus all the time, and tabs on the bottom is so obviously better I can’t believe you’re thinking of changing it.

I have been a loyal and devoted Mozilla/Netscape/Firefox supporter ever since I started exploring the internet (1997). But I must say that the memory use in recent versions of Firefox is a big problem!!!
I noticed that Google Chrome tries to get around this by running a separate memory/kernel thread for each window or tab that is opened – this makes it easier to manage the memory use even when the browser as a whole starts to overload the system. Please focus on the memory issues!!!

I agree wholeheartedly with [i]diemunkiesdie[/i] that the UI changes are terrible. That is why I’m still running 2.0 at home, although I’m testing 3.6 with add-ins at work to see how well the add-ins restore the interface.

Why is it that some developers think that because some other program completely messes up their interface (or creates a new design from scratch) that everyone needs to copy it?

Some of us HATE Vista/7/Glass/Aero/OSX. Tried Chrome for its “sandboxing” tabs separately, but couldn’t stand the UI.

Newer does NOT mean better. Still using WordPerfect 2000, as newer versions offer nothing of added value. As stated above, still running Firefox 2.0.0.20. Indeed, some machines at home are still running 98SE! It does what is needed on those machines, and they are not used for online purposes. So why waste money upgrading or time converting them to Linux?

So please make certain you keep this promise; Empowering: putting users in full control of their browser, data, and Web experience.

How do I get a copy of the 64-bit version of Firefox 4 alpha to try out? I have a dual CPU Xeon 5580 system running at 3.2 GHz with 12 GB RAM and I want to compare the performance with Chrome. Chrome really flies on my system with 8 cores, 16 threads – way faster than Firefox 3.6.3

I always have a lot of tabs open; dozens or more. I’m really interested in ways to manage my tabs. I would really like to be able to define persistent working sets of related tabs that I could switch in and out.

Firefox is still my primary browser, but I’m considering making Chrome my primary browser mainly because it starts up so much faster, especially when there are dozens of tabs to open. Also, it doesn’t seem to lock up as much as Firefox. Maybe the process per tab model has something to do with it.

Also, with Chrome I never fear that when I close Chrome, or it shuts down for any other reason, I will loose all my tabs. It really bugs me when I don’t close Firefox windows in the right order it looses all my tabs. You need to treat those tabs with way more respect. It should be difficult for a user to clear all their tabs.

Hello Mike,

I’ve been a fan of Firefox since day 1. There are many things I love about this browser starting with a quote from the “customize” page on your website, that being, “One Size Doesn’t Fit All”.

I’m part of that group that LOVES the File Menu. I’m constantly using it. Probably because it works and has been around for 20+ years. Also, because it is “text” based. I don’t care that the File Menu is no longer “hip slick & cool”, it is the most efficient way for me quickly accomplish what I want to do.

It’s great to offer choice and let the user decide their personal approach to customizing the look and feel of their browser. If Firefox wants to copy the others and add all kinds of pic-to-gram hieroglyphics icon thingies as options, I say go for it. Just give me the option of using the File Menu.

As for the tab issue. My favorite Firefox Add-on is the Tree Style Tab. It allows my to view all open tabs on the right side of the browser running from top to bottom. That one inch wide strip often has 30+ open tabs that are all easily viewable and accessible.

I have five browsers installed on my computer that I can choose from. I can’t stand to use Chrome or Opera. I’ve tried to force myself to spend time on each of them and after a few minutes of feeling my frustration level rising I go back to Firefox. The supposed speed issue of Chrome is a non-issue for me. Firefox is fast enough. As for the claims of memory bloat. So what? It’s never been a problem for me.

Mike, I hope that Firefox retains it’s “One Size Doesn’t Fit All” philosophy with the new 4.0 version. If not, please keep providing support to us 3.6.3 users that prefer functionality over fashion.

Thank you,

Zath

It is my hope that mundane compliance issues are not forgotten in the rush of new features. Firefox doesn’t do HTML tables correctly, a 10+ year old bug (I think the oldest outstanding HTML compliance bug (#915).

hello,

Why never firefox creators can understand that 3 or even 4 lines with buttons are BAD ? I am very disappointed seeing that “Firefox” thing in up left corner of the screen

A dream browser would have first line as below :
“Firefox logo/whatever” + “Site title” + “Address bar”

then second line with tabs + buttons.

Wait, as in your slide 12 ! Best option would be “one click” makes a “tab title” become “tab favicon !!!”

If you play with JS, then play well, don’t be afraid of that !

I think most users will applaud you for such a clean UI …

I’m sick and tired of such wasted space as today, in my widescreen monitor laptop … And in my Linux , it is even worse …

well, Mithgol the Webmaster, I know XP support won’t be abandoned for sure when Firefox 4 comes out later this year. heck, it may still work under Win2000.

just one burning question to beltzner; what gecko engine version will firefox 4 have? nobody else seems to ask that question.

If “empowering the user” means that we get a mix of adblock and greasemonkey that allows to easily suppress annoyances like jquery image phase-in and wiggly newstickers, then this is a Good Thing!

Fx4 will be gecko 1.9.3 of course.

That’s kinda frustrating – you fix a GFX bug in January 2010, it lands in 1.9.3 and will be in users’ hands January 2011.

Ive been bounced here from Tech Republic, and I cant help but agree with their comments that its all looking a bit Chrome. Loosing the File, Edit toolbar is also enough to make me pass on the “upgrade”. This happened years ago with the Windows Live app and its just an annoyance to try and adjust settings. Whilst most users may not bother changing anything or adding and removing plugins, more advanced users really do want quick access to these items. As for making changes just to trick users into believing a browsers faster, thats great, but haven’t you just ruined this Placebo effect by telling us all about it?

Lots of technical jargon in there (I watched the slides only) so I won’t comment on that.

I’m just wondering… Why make Firefox faster when it’s already fast enough? Not a single word on memory consumption or CPU usage; these are the points that could be improved IMO.

Why waste energy changing tab handling? Who cares if they are on top on the url bar or below… (I’ve hidden the tab bar anyway but that’s just me.)

When will the add bookmark popup finaly be usable? (basically, what the extension “OpenBook” does.)

Configurable keyboard shortcuts to access all functions and preferences of Firefox would also be great.

Can we please get anti-alias in Firefox4 please!!!

Firefox 4 will be simply great to use once it becomes public and is ready to use.

I don’t like the Tabbar on the top, too!
But it would be great, if the user can choose its position himself

Windows and bars are dark grey. Who makes an add-on to change that to a favourite colour? I absolutely hate dark grey Let’s all be happy using Firefox, in every aspect

I agree 100% with Allan K. DON’T get rid of the menu bar. It can be turned on and off now, so it’s optional for those who want it, as well as for those who don’t. There’s no reason to change it.

Everyone,
With regard to the tabs on top, I think it has a great deal of innovation… the biggest reason? Tablets and touch screens are here, and they will only be getting more common. Have you tried using FF with the old tab location on a touchscreen? It’s terrible. Chrome wins, hands down with having the tabs at the top. Much faster to just poke for the edge of the screen, then pause for the precise. I also imagine, that’s why they are moving away from the tool bar infatuation, that is not UI friendly at all for the future. I know that not everyone has a touch now, but in the next five years I imagine that it will be a common tech. I think it’s very forward thinking to change the culture now.

FEATURE REQUEST: i would like to have an opt-in for saving logins and passwords. “save login/password for site xyz.com” instead of only “save logins/passwords except for site abc.de”. both options would be fine.

Pour la vitesse de chargement, pourquoi ne pas charger les extentions et plugins après avoir chargé la base de FF. ? Celà permettrai d’augmenter la vitesse de chargement

Allan K. is right! The menu bar is simple, extremely effective, and comfortably familiar. Removing it would be a usability mistake.

Finally tabs above the address bar. This leaves IE to be the only conky browser having the address bar where it doesn’t belong.

I really hope they make it lighter than 3.x is because it’s unusable.

In my opinion the biggest problem currently on FF is startup time. I love FF, but I have to wait up to 30 seconds or even a minute to start browsing(especialy on my laptop). That’s why I have chrome as default browser. I simply can’t wait so long when I just want to see link in a 2-3 minute session. Memory is also an issue. As far as the appearance of FF4 is concerned, I have no problem at all with the undoubtedly very chrome like style, just be innovative not copiers…

FIREFOX…

any version
is pure unadulterated
fucken shitty C.R.A.P.

I’ll copy my post on your terrible interface made in http://blog.mozilla.com/metrics/2010/04/23/menu-item-usage-study-the-80-20-rule/

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I think that you are going in a wrong directions and you’ll get complaints and not praise and just loose users to other browsers by this idea of simplification of the UI.

There is some interest in increasing user area : this means for me less page-down (or turns of the wheel on the mouse) but I may loose more by the difficulty to reach a command available.
The true direction is for me usability by customization to my needs and adaptation to them : I don’t think that you can fulfill the needs of everyone by a standard interface.

One of my preferred shareware programs as regards User Interface and usability is Total (previously Window) commander a file-manager with the same starting idea that the old Dos Norton commander. It offers (from top to bottom) all the ways I know to run a command.
1) the menu (the ribbon)
2) a line of icons : first part standard, second part user defined (with a simple way to define a command or a program to run).
3) a place for command line (to run against the selected file or choose the selected file).
4) a line of PF keys with their meanings .
Of course all these lines make the user area smaller : it is the drawback to usability.

What is for me the ideal interface ?
A variant of this that adapt to my learning curve and that I can customize to my needs…
What is an entry in the menu ? A name that translate to a Label, a Function, a Subroutine internal or external to the program… I need a documentation on them and a simple way to transform this name to an icon for 2) or a PF key or keyboard shortcut for 4).
At my first contact with the program and as long I remain a newbie, it should show 1) to 4).
2) should show
-in the standard part, an icon to show/hide 1), 2) or 3) followed by the icons of most commonly used commands of the menu according your survey.
-in the user defined part nothing : I’ll add icons (coming from 1) the menu) one by one as soon I discover that I use them often.
As my experience increase, I may define short-cuts (to 4) ) from the menu and hide progressively 3) and 4) and even 1). If an exceptional need occurs, I can always show back what I have hidden !
I think that this freedom of customization is the only way to avoid most of the complaints (except perhaps from the developers in charge).

XSLT in firefox is dog slow. Fixing that would be great for me.

Would like Firefox 4 to continue File, Edit, View, History and so forth to which we’ve all become accustomed, unless something is overwhelmingly better.

At Tools, allow Clear Recent History on the fly (without having to close Firefox) to avoid disturbing certain browser tabs, e.g., one on which my web e-mail system may be running, even though on other tabs I may go out to do my online banking and want that history totally cleared, when that tab or those tabs is/are closed.

Also, on Help allow a category for us to leave an Firefox improvement request as it pops into our head.

Finally, include an automatic or manual method of checking up-to-date versions of Shockwave, Flash, and others.

Is this the only fucking information from mozilla how to fix a plugin that worked until 3.5? Are you fucked up at mozilla, not to provide ANY information about how to pass your bullshit plugin check besides some foreign bullshit blog? damed…

This is such a good news! Is it more seo friendly? wow!

All features and techniques are great, but the single Firefox killing issue that needs to be addressed with nr 1 priority is startup-time. First startup takes 10 to 20 seconds. That is TOO MUCH if you just want to start working. I’m a Firefox lover because it’s open source and because of the plug-ins, but it’s only idealism that keeps me using it, despite the waiting pains. Amongst our developer team I’m the only one using FF as default, the rest disdainfully does away with it with the single argument: “too slow”. Fortunately I’ve got Firefox preloader, that reduced the pain dramatically. But such functionality should be included in FF self. All great functions and behind the scenes techniques are useless if people simply don’t use FF because it takes them too long to get it up and running. PLEASE get the startup time fixed or FF will lose the race.A Firefox lover.
+1

I wonder I wonder I wonder…

Will the developers of Firefox eventually consider us admins and give us a decent packaging and central management tool, and/or built-in scripting support!?

I guess not as all Firefox seem to care about are consumers and not the people who have to look after these monsters!

Love management systems. Love IE. Hate Firefox!

How does one get a copy of firefox 4 to test

Stop trying to be Chrome with the UI. FF has a useful, flexible UI – don’t emss with it. If I (and I speak for virtually all my coworkers as well) FF becomes another Chrome, we’ll all just move to Opera or some thing else. Change for the sake of it or to be like the flashy new kid on the block is NOT a good reason. Stop trying to fix what isn’t broken. Optimize memory and CPU usage and add rendering features but leave the UI alone. Speed is always nice but I hadn’t notice FF was particualarly slow.

Awesome examples, gonna bookmark this for later use when I will create my own comments form